So last night was a night of prayer. Prayer that God would let me know what I am supposed to do about Gaelic Girl and my situation. As I have mentioned in the past, I have a problem letting go of friends, apparently to the point of absurdity. As last night has shown, GG is completely beyond the pale of reality.
Back home she could have been quietly institutionalized and a proper diagnosis performed. But, not in America, especially not in Washington State where the rights of the mentally ill are apparently greater than those they victimize. And I have nothing left.
My ability to hold the course and keep her in the family has reached its end, at least as far as I am concerned. Heavens I might be the one removed from the family if there is sides taking to be performed! Sigh ... No idea how all of this is going to play out today.
I had my friends praying last night with me for wisdom - because I need God's wisdom in this. When I woke up this morning the only thing I really knew was that I had stayed here too long. I should have left in 2012 or beginning of 2013 at the latest, so much pain and a major heart attack could have been avoided. And Sugar Ray's song, Someday, would not be echoing through my mind still.
I hate failure.
I hate losing friends.
I hate what life has done to GG.
But I can not hate what has happened inside of me.
To see in colors and to now understand life for the first time. A blessing I could never share with GG because there was never any love between us.
So, I look ahead to a continued life alone, hey been there for the past five years!
Currently two friends left.
A small army of prayer warriors behind me.
An unknown future ahead.
And I know that God will continue to lead me, where He wants me, just as he has done for most of my life....
Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Tuesday, April 29, 2014
End of the Trail
I am if nothing, a gentleman, whom does try to be honorable.
I have struggled now for years to maintain something of a good relationship with Gaelic Girl. Originally, I thought she was just going through the change of life, and perhaps she was. But, she never came back from it.
Then, I kept making excuses for her violence, temper and ill regard towards me for over two years now.
Last night was the end of a 37 year long trail. She attacked my son's dog for getting into some chocolate she left out. And he is a dog after all. Apparently he was only startled and hid under son's bed for two hours. But those blows were not called for nor just a simple slap on the rump - they could have easily have caused internal injuries ... I am surprised they did not, well we will know by morning probably.
Then it was then my turn.
I went to an unapproved church on Sunday, I had lunch with a friend she does not approve of either. I was told to never return to the church and to lose the last of my real friends ... and no, she does not want to be my friend either.
And so now, with the line drawn in the sand. I will begin the packing up of what is important to me and find a storage location to put my important stuff in.
I had wanted to wait until GG had her surgery, so that she would be stable and able to work again in a few months. But you know - I do not think I care anymore ... at least not as I write this anyways.
If I was a woman and she a man, the cops would be all over her right now.
I have struggled now for years to maintain something of a good relationship with Gaelic Girl. Originally, I thought she was just going through the change of life, and perhaps she was. But, she never came back from it.
Then, I kept making excuses for her violence, temper and ill regard towards me for over two years now.
Last night was the end of a 37 year long trail. She attacked my son's dog for getting into some chocolate she left out. And he is a dog after all. Apparently he was only startled and hid under son's bed for two hours. But those blows were not called for nor just a simple slap on the rump - they could have easily have caused internal injuries ... I am surprised they did not, well we will know by morning probably.
Then it was then my turn.
I went to an unapproved church on Sunday, I had lunch with a friend she does not approve of either. I was told to never return to the church and to lose the last of my real friends ... and no, she does not want to be my friend either.
And so now, with the line drawn in the sand. I will begin the packing up of what is important to me and find a storage location to put my important stuff in.
I had wanted to wait until GG had her surgery, so that she would be stable and able to work again in a few months. But you know - I do not think I care anymore ... at least not as I write this anyways.
If I was a woman and she a man, the cops would be all over her right now.
Monday, April 28, 2014
In Passing, Paula
When I started attending this current church regularly, I instantly made a few solid acquaintances. Guys were a little sparse because I have NO interest in sports and the men's mid-week study seems to only be attended by those whom were born without cojones. Unfortunately, I was and I loath sitting around listening to men weeping about how unfair life is. Really? Then get your (*&*&^&%^^%#$) out of that chair and do something about it! Gees, life is not that much of a mystery - if you have some cojones and bother to talk with God regularly .....
Well, that leaves the females of the church. First off I killed off any attempts by single women to get to know me, because i do not want to know them and amongst the married women there three safe ones. I have mentioned Elspeth before, she was a good friend, Vonnie was also (a long lost friend from my early NATO childhood! small world!) and last but not least Paula.
Paula, I met because I was surprised to find one of my clients at the church. Well, here in the Pacific Northwest of America, with the lowest Christian church attendance outside Baghdad, plus we both work in Information Technology - not much chance of ever meeting up with one of my clients! He was typical old school - quiet, hard to engage, always alone in a room full of friends. Probably why I liked him - almost exactly like me.
Conversely, Paula was everything her husband was not - outspoken, gregarious, full of life! But, also with a dark side. Life had been cruel to the both of them, they married late in life and struggled to help each other with their personal demons. Paula needed professional help and medication, and yet, even at that .....
Saturday morning, rumor has it, a single shotgun shot to the head and her struggles were over.
Her husband devastated.
"Friends", such as me, to stand with mouths open and unable to grasp what she has done.
Her pastors left more than a little uneasy ... she never reached out in her final struggle.
Perhaps, as the week wears on, I will learn more as to why this happened.
In the meantime, I contemplate with pride the progress my friend is making. In such a few short weeks from desiring death, to desiring life. It has been a hard struggle for them and God always keeping me just in the nick of time with the words to say or the knowledge of what is needed. Currently we are working on trust, hard to relearn once you have been betrayed in life. Yet, without it, there can be no actual quality of life. And, I know they are going to make it just fine .....
Well, that leaves the females of the church. First off I killed off any attempts by single women to get to know me, because i do not want to know them and amongst the married women there three safe ones. I have mentioned Elspeth before, she was a good friend, Vonnie was also (a long lost friend from my early NATO childhood! small world!) and last but not least Paula.
Paula, I met because I was surprised to find one of my clients at the church. Well, here in the Pacific Northwest of America, with the lowest Christian church attendance outside Baghdad, plus we both work in Information Technology - not much chance of ever meeting up with one of my clients! He was typical old school - quiet, hard to engage, always alone in a room full of friends. Probably why I liked him - almost exactly like me.
Conversely, Paula was everything her husband was not - outspoken, gregarious, full of life! But, also with a dark side. Life had been cruel to the both of them, they married late in life and struggled to help each other with their personal demons. Paula needed professional help and medication, and yet, even at that .....
Saturday morning, rumor has it, a single shotgun shot to the head and her struggles were over.
Her husband devastated.
"Friends", such as me, to stand with mouths open and unable to grasp what she has done.
Her pastors left more than a little uneasy ... she never reached out in her final struggle.
Perhaps, as the week wears on, I will learn more as to why this happened.
In the meantime, I contemplate with pride the progress my friend is making. In such a few short weeks from desiring death, to desiring life. It has been a hard struggle for them and God always keeping me just in the nick of time with the words to say or the knowledge of what is needed. Currently we are working on trust, hard to relearn once you have been betrayed in life. Yet, without it, there can be no actual quality of life. And, I know they are going to make it just fine .....
Saturday, April 26, 2014
Musical Saturday Morning
Oh heavens I have no idea how long it has been since I first heard this, certainly pre'college days or maybe first year at the latest.
I remember I was back in Denver, laying in bed one night listening to music to drift off to by and suddenly this came on - I was up laughing for most of the night!
I remember I was back in Denver, laying in bed one night listening to music to drift off to by and suddenly this came on - I was up laughing for most of the night!
Friday, April 25, 2014
Female Pastorate - The Literal Approach
I have already laid out all of the traditional arguments yesterday as to why women may not hold the position of pastor or elder in the Church. But, the arguments are a bit more in-depth than what a traditionalist is willing to go into supporting their arguments as to whether or not Paul is right or wrong, much less did Paul recognize female pastors? By the way, Paul does mention females whom were believed to lead churches, but those references are ignored by the traditionalist and who they are is of no importance to this discussion ...
Viewpoint of Gifts
There is no assignment nor limits on usage of the Spiritual Gifts. Male or female you each will be given gifts according to the will of the Holy Spirit. How you use them is in part God's will and perhaps your own. But, use it wrong and do not expect to have it for long! It is the Holy Spirit's not yours!
Viewpoint of Ministry Opportunities
The word we use for Pastor from the Greek is the same as the one for Shepherd. So, it is a Biblical concept.
From the Reformation Movement, the Pastor was one of the serving Elders, hence the requirements listed in yesterday's article for an Elders as logically being applied to the office of Pastor..
My Take On This
The traditional viewpoint is un-Godly and insulting to anyone willing to study their Bible or is female!
I am sorry but the Roman Catholics got it wrong 1700 years ago.
1 Corinthians 11:2 - 16
In this chapter, Paul discusses the concept of hair and head covering for women.
11:5-- “but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved.”
First up, a woman prays... We are dealing with corporate worship in the church here. Not over breakfast, not at the grocery store, not behind the wheel of their car. They are in church and for what ever reason have been asked to pray.
And she is expected by Paul to have a Head Covering.
When my oldest daughter was in 10th grade, she was asked to say a prayer during the Sunday when the youth of the church took over all duties of the church. She asked what to do. So, I told her: "Write down your prayer so you can read it and then have a scarf on your shoulders to pull up over your head before you pray." Seemed easy enough. And because I am a Hutterite, this was to be considered quite normal. Because she had been exposed to Russian Orthodox, it again was quite normal to her, even though not done in our church. You also have to understand that she had not been out of a Russian orphanage all that long was still growing a head of hair.
That simple act of covering her head, you would have thought she had pulled off her blouse and bared herself, the reaction was that violent and so immediate to her prayer! And the elders decided to take me on, followed by the pastor and the head of the women's ministry. And we each proved to our own satisfaction the other quite wrong. (And I am still right ... :) )
I am sorry. But if she was to lead prayer during the service - she had to cover her head or just be in rebellion to God. (Don't yell at me yet, finish with this study first!)
Pretty simple really.
Still in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul mentions a woman prophesizing.
Prophesy has two definitions: to foretell and to forthtell.
Foretelling is what most people think of when the terms prophet or prophesy is brought up. Revealing the future has a means to draw the audience to God. Many will argue that this no longer exists and certainly the vast majority whom claim a gift of prophesy are full of themselves and not the Holy Spirit. (And yes, I can say I know of one whom has been 100% in his prophesies.)
Forthtelling is explaining what it is that God has done. Revealing His hands at work all around us. This is the role of the Pastor in your church!
So a woman, could very well be Forthtelling in the church service! But the traditionalist would not accept that she is fulfilling the role of Pastor! And she is told to have a Head Covering, in order to honor man and her God.
But, wait a minute! Paul just answered this whole battle right here - there are women pastors he recognizes! And if they are of God, they will cover their heads. Ah, but we have oh so much more to cover!
Pre-Christian Culture
Corinth had three temples to the goddess Aphrodite, the goddess of love, employing some one thousand temple prostitutes. The city was renowned for these temple prostitutes, who served the wealthy merchants and the powerful officials living in or traveling in and out of the city. It is thought that much of what Paul wrote concerning women in Corinth may well have been culturally relevant to Christian woman living in Corinth.
So, you are a Christian woman, you need to have long hair - the prostitutes were either bald or had very short hair. Then cover your hair when praying or prophesying (per above) to further distance yourself from the the prostitutes and their activities during their "services".
Christian Culture
The Roman Catholic Church took the stance that Paul's instructions for women in Corinth were for all women everywhere, across all time. This is based upon the concepts of:
The point being - woman are to cover their heads in some manner.
Modern Culture
So, as with most controversy within the Christian body of believers, we have the duty to study all issues, consider all things in prayer and then understand that we represent God - not ourselves or our desires - before all whom surround us. With that comes the requirement:
"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise", Ephesians 5:15
“You became obedient from the heart to that pattern of teaching to which you were committed”, Romans 6:17
What is wisdom when considering the idea of women in the pastorate?
For some it is a resounding "NO" and God becomes limited in that church to the narrow viewpoint of subjugation of women.
For some it is a resounding "YES" and God is free to use whom He cares to in that church, assuming that those people for whatever positions they are being considered for, they are Biblically qualified for!
As for the entire issue of head coverings ... We do not live in a culture where they are expected nor respected. Personally because of my early Hutterite days, yes I think they are appropriate for females personally - whether your church practices this or not. This something which is between you and God, if you are female. If you are male - shut your mouth and let the women decide for themselves! This is not a matter of "maturity" or "special revelation"! It is their testimony of their faith in God, of their submission, not yours ...
Viewpoint of Gifts
There is no assignment nor limits on usage of the Spiritual Gifts. Male or female you each will be given gifts according to the will of the Holy Spirit. How you use them is in part God's will and perhaps your own. But, use it wrong and do not expect to have it for long! It is the Holy Spirit's not yours!
Viewpoint of Ministry Opportunities
The word we use for Pastor from the Greek is the same as the one for Shepherd. So, it is a Biblical concept.
From the Reformation Movement, the Pastor was one of the serving Elders, hence the requirements listed in yesterday's article for an Elders as logically being applied to the office of Pastor..
My Take On This
The traditional viewpoint is un-Godly and insulting to anyone willing to study their Bible or is female!
I am sorry but the Roman Catholics got it wrong 1700 years ago.
1 Corinthians 11:2 - 16
In this chapter, Paul discusses the concept of hair and head covering for women.
11:5-- “but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved.”
First up, a woman prays... We are dealing with corporate worship in the church here. Not over breakfast, not at the grocery store, not behind the wheel of their car. They are in church and for what ever reason have been asked to pray.
And she is expected by Paul to have a Head Covering.
When my oldest daughter was in 10th grade, she was asked to say a prayer during the Sunday when the youth of the church took over all duties of the church. She asked what to do. So, I told her: "Write down your prayer so you can read it and then have a scarf on your shoulders to pull up over your head before you pray." Seemed easy enough. And because I am a Hutterite, this was to be considered quite normal. Because she had been exposed to Russian Orthodox, it again was quite normal to her, even though not done in our church. You also have to understand that she had not been out of a Russian orphanage all that long was still growing a head of hair.
That simple act of covering her head, you would have thought she had pulled off her blouse and bared herself, the reaction was that violent and so immediate to her prayer! And the elders decided to take me on, followed by the pastor and the head of the women's ministry. And we each proved to our own satisfaction the other quite wrong. (And I am still right ... :) )
I am sorry. But if she was to lead prayer during the service - she had to cover her head or just be in rebellion to God. (Don't yell at me yet, finish with this study first!)
Pretty simple really.
Still in 1 Corinthians 11, Paul mentions a woman prophesizing.
Prophesy has two definitions: to foretell and to forthtell.
Foretelling is what most people think of when the terms prophet or prophesy is brought up. Revealing the future has a means to draw the audience to God. Many will argue that this no longer exists and certainly the vast majority whom claim a gift of prophesy are full of themselves and not the Holy Spirit. (And yes, I can say I know of one whom has been 100% in his prophesies.)
Forthtelling is explaining what it is that God has done. Revealing His hands at work all around us. This is the role of the Pastor in your church!
So a woman, could very well be Forthtelling in the church service! But the traditionalist would not accept that she is fulfilling the role of Pastor! And she is told to have a Head Covering, in order to honor man and her God.
But, wait a minute! Paul just answered this whole battle right here - there are women pastors he recognizes! And if they are of God, they will cover their heads. Ah, but we have oh so much more to cover!
Pre-Christian Culture
Corinth had three temples to the goddess Aphrodite, the goddess of love, employing some one thousand temple prostitutes. The city was renowned for these temple prostitutes, who served the wealthy merchants and the powerful officials living in or traveling in and out of the city. It is thought that much of what Paul wrote concerning women in Corinth may well have been culturally relevant to Christian woman living in Corinth.
So, you are a Christian woman, you need to have long hair - the prostitutes were either bald or had very short hair. Then cover your hair when praying or prophesying (per above) to further distance yourself from the the prostitutes and their activities during their "services".
Christian Culture
The Roman Catholic Church took the stance that Paul's instructions for women in Corinth were for all women everywhere, across all time. This is based upon the concepts of:
- Verse 2 (παραδίδωμι, παραδόσις) indicates that Paul’s instruction is part of traditional doctrine that he was passing on to the Church. But Paul here does not give any details of the instruction. That is picked up in the rest of the passage.
- Verses 3-9 base this instruction on a theological hierarchy and on creation. God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of the man, the man is the head of the woman. It is important to note that Paul is in no way arguing for the inferiority of the woman to the man, for he roots his convictions in the Godhead. Christ is only functionally subordinate to the Father. The wife, then, is functionally subordinate to the husband, but in no way positionally inferior.
- Verse 10 bases the woman’s symbol of subordination on a fine point concerning a witness to angels of man's authority or personal submission.
- Verses 13-15 roughly constitute an argument from nature.
- Verse 16 is an argument from the collective wisdom of the church universal, for Christians elsewhere have no other practice.
The point being - woman are to cover their heads in some manner.
Modern Culture
Today, however, the situation is quite different, at least in the West. For a woman to wear a head covering
would seem to be a distinctively humiliating experience. Many
women--even biblically submissive wives--resist the notion precisely
because they feel awkward and self-conscious. But the head covering in
Paul’s day was intended only to display the woman’s subordination, not
her humiliation. Today, ironically, to require a head covering for women
in the worship service would be tantamount to asking them to shave
their heads! The effect, therefore, would be just the opposite of what
Paul intended. Thus, in attempting to fulfill the spirit of the
apostle’s instruction, not just his words, some suitable substitute
symbol needs to be found. And that answer lay within the realm of the culture to which you are member of.
So, as with most controversy within the Christian body of believers, we have the duty to study all issues, consider all things in prayer and then understand that we represent God - not ourselves or our desires - before all whom surround us. With that comes the requirement:
"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise", Ephesians 5:15
“You became obedient from the heart to that pattern of teaching to which you were committed”, Romans 6:17
What is wisdom when considering the idea of women in the pastorate?
For some it is a resounding "NO" and God becomes limited in that church to the narrow viewpoint of subjugation of women.
For some it is a resounding "YES" and God is free to use whom He cares to in that church, assuming that those people for whatever positions they are being considered for, they are Biblically qualified for!
As for the entire issue of head coverings ... We do not live in a culture where they are expected nor respected. Personally because of my early Hutterite days, yes I think they are appropriate for females personally - whether your church practices this or not. This something which is between you and God, if you are female. If you are male - shut your mouth and let the women decide for themselves! This is not a matter of "maturity" or "special revelation"! It is their testimony of their faith in God, of their submission, not yours ...
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Thursday, April 24, 2014
Female Pastorate - Classic Argument
(Disclaimer: I do not support the classic argument, this is my best take on the traditional viewpoint which has been passed to Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church.)
In today's social climate of complete equality in all things, the Biblical teaching of only allowing men to be pastors and elders is not popular. Many feminist organizations denounce this position as antiquated and chauvinistic. In addition, many Christian churches have adopted the "politically correct" social standard and have allowed women pastors and elders in the church. But the question remains, is this Biblical?
The classic answer is, "No, women are not to be pastors and elders." Many may not like that answer; but it is one representation of the Biblical standard. You make the decision after reading this series.
First of all, women are under-appreciated and under-utilized in the church. There are many gifted women who might very well do a better job at preaching and teaching than many men. However, it isn't gifting that is the issue but God's order and calling. What does the Bible say? We cannot come to God's Word with our own social agenda and make it fit our wants and desires. Instead, we must change and adapt to what it says.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, the garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve. He put Adam in the garden and gave him the authority to name all the animals. Afterwards, God made Eve as a helper to Adam. This is an important concept because Paul refers to the order of creation in his epistle to Timothy when he discusses the relationship between men and women in the church context. Let's take a look at 1 Timothy 2:12-14:
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression."
This passage has several interesting areas of discussion, but for the classic argument we must focus on authority. At the very least, there is an authority structure set up by God: The woman is not to have authority over the man in the church context, but this does not extend to the political/economic world. In the Old Testament Deborah was a judge in Israel over men. Also, in the New Testament, Phoebe played an important role in the church at Cenchrea (Romans 16). There is no doubt that women supported Paul in many areas and were great helpers in the church (Acts 2:17; 18:24-26; 21:8-9). But what Paul is speaking of in 1 Timothy 2 is the relationship between men and women in the church structure--not in a social or political context.
When we look further at Paul's teachings, we find that the bishop/overseer is to be the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:2), who manages his household well, and has a good reputation (1 Timothy 3:4-5, 7). Deacons must be "men of dignity" (1 Timothy 3:8). Paul then speaks of women in verse 11 and their obligation to receive instruction. Then in verse 12, Paul says "Let deacons be husbands of one wife . . . " Again, in Titus 1:5-7, Paul says,
"For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might set in order what remains, and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward . . . "
Notice that Paul interchanges the word 'elder' and 'overseer'.
In each case, the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is said to be male. He is the husband of one wife, responsible, able to "exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women. On the contrary, women are told to be "dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things" (1 Timothy 3:11). Why is it that it is the men who are singled out as the overseers? It is because of the created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Timothy 2:12-14). This is not merely a social custom that fell away with ancient Israel.
Additionally, in the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women. Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.
What About Galatians 3:28?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
This verse is often used to support the idea that women can hold the offices of elder and pastor because there is neither male nor female in Christ. The argument states that if we are all equal, then women can be pastors.
Unfortunately, those who use this verse this way have failed to read the context. Verse 23 talks about being under the Law "before faith came" and how we are brought closer to Jesus and have become sons of God by faith. We are no longer under law, but grace and we are "Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise," (v. 29). The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God, and that it doesn't matter who you are--Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way--by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.
This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1. Being a Pastor or Elder is to be in Authority
God is a God of order and balance. He has established order within the family (Gen. 3:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:22-33; Col. 3:18-21 ) and the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14; 1 Cor. 11:8-9). Even within the Trinity, there is an order--a hierarchy. The Father sent the Son (John 6:38), and both the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26). Jesus said, "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 6:38). It is clear that God is a God of order and structure.
In creation, God made Adam first and then Eve to be his helper. This is the order of creation. It is this order that Paul mentions in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 when speaking of authority. Being a pastor or an elder is to be in the place of authority. Therefore, within the church, for a woman to be a pastor or elder, she would be in authority of men in the church which contradicts what Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
But Doesn't This Teaching Belittle Women?
No, male leadership does not belittle women. Jesus was given his authority by God the Father (Matthew 28:18). He was sent by God (John 6:38). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). Did this belittle Jesus? Of course not. Women are of great value in the church and need to be used more and more according to the gifts given them.
Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. The chain of command is Jesus, the man, the wife, and the children.
What About Women Who Say They are Called By God to Be Pastors?
There are women pastors in the world who love their congregations and have stated that they are called by God to be pastors. Of course, I cannot agree with this considering the previous analysis of the biblical position. Instead, I believe they have usurped the position of men and gone against the norm of scriptural revelation. Additionally, those who state that they are called by God because of the great job they are doing and the gifting they have received are basing their theology upon experience and not scripture.
The issue is simple: are they submitting to the word of God, or are they making the word of God submit to their desires? What About a Missionary Woman Who Establishes a Church?
Scripture establishes the norm. As Christians, we apply what we learn from the word to the situations at hand. So, what about the situation where a woman missionary has converted a group of people, say in the jungle somewhere, and she has established a church? In that church, she is then functioning as a pastor and teacher having authority over men in the church. Should she not do this?
First of all, she should not be out there alone. She should be with her husband or, at the very least, under the oversight of a church body in the presence of other women and men. Missionary work is not a lone endeavor to be handled by single women.
Second, if in some highly unusual set of circumstances there is a woman in a lone situation, it is far more important that the word of God be preached and the gospel of salvation go forth to the lost than not. Whether it be male or female, let the gospel be spoken. However, I would say that as soon as there is/are males mature enough to handle eldership, that she should then establish the proper order of the church as revealed in scripture and thereby show her submission to it.
Does this also mean that women shouldn't wear jewelry?
"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. 11 Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve." (1 Timothy 2:9-13).
Some argue that if we are to forbid women to be elders, then the context of 1 Timothy 2:9-13 demands that we require women to no have braided hair, wear gold, or have costly garments. Since no one wants to put that sort of a demand on a woman, since it is cultural, then why should we also demand that they not be elders since it would logically follow that it was also a culturally based admonition?
The problem here is that multifaceted. First, the objection ignores what the scriptures plainly teach about the elder being the husband of one wife. Second, it fails to address the real issue of biblical headship residing in the male. Third, it fails to properly exegete the scripture in question.
In 1 Timothy 2:9-13 Paul tells us that women should be modestly dressed. He uses the example of the then present-day adornment as an example of what not to do. This is a culturally based assessment by Paul. Notice that Paul emphasizes good works and godliness as a qualifier (as does Peter, see 1 Peter 3:2). This is not a doctrinal statement tied to anything other than being a godly woman in appearance as well as attitude.
In verse 11, Paul says that a woman should quietly receive instruction. Please note that The word, "heµsychia", translated “quietness” in 1 Timothy 2:11 and silent in verse 12, does not mean complete silence or no talking. It is clearly used elsewhere (Acts 22:2; 2 Thessalonians 3:12) to mean “settled down, undisturbed, not unruly." A different word, "sigaoµ", means “to be silent, to say nothing” (Luke 18:39; 1 Cor. 14:34).” Paul is advocating orderliness in this verse.
Then in verses 12-13, Paul says:
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve."
Notice that Paul directly relates the authority issue with the created order. He does not do this with the woman's dress code. Therefore, the dress code is cultural and the authority issue as doctrinal since the latter is tied to the creation order and the dress code, and authority issues are not.
Conclusion
God's word clearly tells us that the elder is to be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot qualify for this position by virtue of her being female. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant to the fact that this is what the Bible teaches.
Tomorrow, a slightly more balanced and non traditional approach to this issue ...
In today's social climate of complete equality in all things, the Biblical teaching of only allowing men to be pastors and elders is not popular. Many feminist organizations denounce this position as antiquated and chauvinistic. In addition, many Christian churches have adopted the "politically correct" social standard and have allowed women pastors and elders in the church. But the question remains, is this Biblical?
The classic answer is, "No, women are not to be pastors and elders." Many may not like that answer; but it is one representation of the Biblical standard. You make the decision after reading this series.
First of all, women are under-appreciated and under-utilized in the church. There are many gifted women who might very well do a better job at preaching and teaching than many men. However, it isn't gifting that is the issue but God's order and calling. What does the Bible say? We cannot come to God's Word with our own social agenda and make it fit our wants and desires. Instead, we must change and adapt to what it says.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, the garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve. He put Adam in the garden and gave him the authority to name all the animals. Afterwards, God made Eve as a helper to Adam. This is an important concept because Paul refers to the order of creation in his epistle to Timothy when he discusses the relationship between men and women in the church context. Let's take a look at 1 Timothy 2:12-14:
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression."
This passage has several interesting areas of discussion, but for the classic argument we must focus on authority. At the very least, there is an authority structure set up by God: The woman is not to have authority over the man in the church context, but this does not extend to the political/economic world. In the Old Testament Deborah was a judge in Israel over men. Also, in the New Testament, Phoebe played an important role in the church at Cenchrea (Romans 16). There is no doubt that women supported Paul in many areas and were great helpers in the church (Acts 2:17; 18:24-26; 21:8-9). But what Paul is speaking of in 1 Timothy 2 is the relationship between men and women in the church structure--not in a social or political context.
When we look further at Paul's teachings, we find that the bishop/overseer is to be the husband of one wife (1 Timothy 3:2), who manages his household well, and has a good reputation (1 Timothy 3:4-5, 7). Deacons must be "men of dignity" (1 Timothy 3:8). Paul then speaks of women in verse 11 and their obligation to receive instruction. Then in verse 12, Paul says "Let deacons be husbands of one wife . . . " Again, in Titus 1:5-7, Paul says,
"For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might set in order what remains, and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward . . . "
Notice that Paul interchanges the word 'elder' and 'overseer'.
In each case, the one who is an elder, deacon, bishop, or overseer is said to be male. He is the husband of one wife, responsible, able to "exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). We see no command for the overseers to be women. On the contrary, women are told to be "dignified, not malicious gossips, but temperate, faithful in all things" (1 Timothy 3:11). Why is it that it is the men who are singled out as the overseers? It is because of the created order of God that Paul references (Gen. 1-2; 1 Timothy 2:12-14). This is not merely a social custom that fell away with ancient Israel.
Additionally, in the Old Testament in over 700 mentions of priests, every single one was a male. There is not one instance of a female priest. This is significant because priests were ordained by God to hold a very important office of ministering the sacrifices. This was not the job of women. Therefore, from what I see in Genesis 1-2, 1 Timothy 2, and Titus 1, the normal and proper person to hold the office of elder/pastor is to be a man.
What About Galatians 3:28?
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
This verse is often used to support the idea that women can hold the offices of elder and pastor because there is neither male nor female in Christ. The argument states that if we are all equal, then women can be pastors.
Unfortunately, those who use this verse this way have failed to read the context. Verse 23 talks about being under the Law "before faith came" and how we are brought closer to Jesus and have become sons of God by faith. We are no longer under law, but grace and we are "Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise," (v. 29). The point of this passage is that we are all saved by God's grace according to the promise of God, and that it doesn't matter who you are--Jew, Greek, slave, free, male, or female. All are saved the same way--by grace. In that, there is neither male nor female.
This verse is not talking about church structure. It is talking about salvation "in Christ." It cannot be used to support women as pastors because that isn't what it is talking about. Instead, to find out about church structure and leadership, you need to go to those passages that talk about it: 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1. Being a Pastor or Elder is to be in Authority
God is a God of order and balance. He has established order within the family (Gen. 3:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 5:22-33; Col. 3:18-21 ) and the church (1 Timothy 2:11-14; 1 Cor. 11:8-9). Even within the Trinity, there is an order--a hierarchy. The Father sent the Son (John 6:38), and both the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit (John 14:26; 15:26). Jesus said, "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 6:38). It is clear that God is a God of order and structure.
In creation, God made Adam first and then Eve to be his helper. This is the order of creation. It is this order that Paul mentions in 1 Timothy 2:11-14 when speaking of authority. Being a pastor or an elder is to be in the place of authority. Therefore, within the church, for a woman to be a pastor or elder, she would be in authority of men in the church which contradicts what Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
But Doesn't This Teaching Belittle Women?
No, male leadership does not belittle women. Jesus was given his authority by God the Father (Matthew 28:18). He was sent by God (John 6:38). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). Did this belittle Jesus? Of course not. Women are of great value in the church and need to be used more and more according to the gifts given them.
Does the wife's submission to the husband mean that she is less than the husband, less important, or belittled? Again, not at all. Not having a place of leadership in the church does not mean a woman is less of a person, less important to God, or inferior. All are equal before God whether it be Jew, Gentile, free, slave, male, or female. But in the church, God has set up an order the same way he set one up in the family. The chain of command is Jesus, the man, the wife, and the children.
What About Women Who Say They are Called By God to Be Pastors?
There are women pastors in the world who love their congregations and have stated that they are called by God to be pastors. Of course, I cannot agree with this considering the previous analysis of the biblical position. Instead, I believe they have usurped the position of men and gone against the norm of scriptural revelation. Additionally, those who state that they are called by God because of the great job they are doing and the gifting they have received are basing their theology upon experience and not scripture.
The issue is simple: are they submitting to the word of God, or are they making the word of God submit to their desires? What About a Missionary Woman Who Establishes a Church?
Scripture establishes the norm. As Christians, we apply what we learn from the word to the situations at hand. So, what about the situation where a woman missionary has converted a group of people, say in the jungle somewhere, and she has established a church? In that church, she is then functioning as a pastor and teacher having authority over men in the church. Should she not do this?
First of all, she should not be out there alone. She should be with her husband or, at the very least, under the oversight of a church body in the presence of other women and men. Missionary work is not a lone endeavor to be handled by single women.
Second, if in some highly unusual set of circumstances there is a woman in a lone situation, it is far more important that the word of God be preached and the gospel of salvation go forth to the lost than not. Whether it be male or female, let the gospel be spoken. However, I would say that as soon as there is/are males mature enough to handle eldership, that she should then establish the proper order of the church as revealed in scripture and thereby show her submission to it.
Does this also mean that women shouldn't wear jewelry?
"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. 11 Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve." (1 Timothy 2:9-13).
Some argue that if we are to forbid women to be elders, then the context of 1 Timothy 2:9-13 demands that we require women to no have braided hair, wear gold, or have costly garments. Since no one wants to put that sort of a demand on a woman, since it is cultural, then why should we also demand that they not be elders since it would logically follow that it was also a culturally based admonition?
The problem here is that multifaceted. First, the objection ignores what the scriptures plainly teach about the elder being the husband of one wife. Second, it fails to address the real issue of biblical headship residing in the male. Third, it fails to properly exegete the scripture in question.
In 1 Timothy 2:9-13 Paul tells us that women should be modestly dressed. He uses the example of the then present-day adornment as an example of what not to do. This is a culturally based assessment by Paul. Notice that Paul emphasizes good works and godliness as a qualifier (as does Peter, see 1 Peter 3:2). This is not a doctrinal statement tied to anything other than being a godly woman in appearance as well as attitude.
In verse 11, Paul says that a woman should quietly receive instruction. Please note that The word, "heµsychia", translated “quietness” in 1 Timothy 2:11 and silent in verse 12, does not mean complete silence or no talking. It is clearly used elsewhere (Acts 22:2; 2 Thessalonians 3:12) to mean “settled down, undisturbed, not unruly." A different word, "sigaoµ", means “to be silent, to say nothing” (Luke 18:39; 1 Cor. 14:34).” Paul is advocating orderliness in this verse.
Then in verses 12-13, Paul says:
"But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve."
Notice that Paul directly relates the authority issue with the created order. He does not do this with the woman's dress code. Therefore, the dress code is cultural and the authority issue as doctrinal since the latter is tied to the creation order and the dress code, and authority issues are not.
Conclusion
God's word clearly tells us that the elder is to be the husband of one wife. A woman cannot qualify for this position by virtue of her being female. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant to the fact that this is what the Bible teaches.
Tomorrow, a slightly more balanced and non traditional approach to this issue ...
Wednesday, April 23, 2014
The Female Pastorate - The Problem
On Good Friday, my friend was not going to be in town - off skiing with friends. So what to do on a Friday evening all alone? No clue. It is only when my friend called to tell me that an expired passport kept them back from the ski trip, that I learned about a church having a Good Friday service. I have never been up on the Roman Catholic traditions within the American Church, but never having been to a Good Friday service, why not?
The pastor got up and introduced herself ... Herself.
Now I have only twice seen a woman pastor before and both times it was not a situation of should this be, but should they be?
The first time was with my best friend from high school and his new bride. Their church as the largest in Denver and had a female pastor. Well, she did wear a head covering and the man sitting behind her was her husband. He was on the stage to show he supported her ministry. Hmmmmm. Seems to work Biblically for me. Unfortunately, she eventually divorced her husband and he disappeared off the stage, she lost the head covering and became a major player in the health and wealth gospel. When ever I was in town in a Sunday, I just never told my friend, so that I would not have to be negative about his selection of church.
The second time was to an Episcopalian church, taken there by two of my rock collecting friends. Of course, I sort of caused a bit of a mess, when she got on the stage and I blurted out none to quietly, "My God! She is a lesbian! What is a homosexual doing pretending to be a priest!?!?" Yeah, darn that Discernment! That one sort of killed the sermon for the day and it took three years for them to defrock her, however she was never allowed to serve as a priest in the meantime. And I read that she eventually sued the Episcopal Church for her old job back! She lost in court but by then the denomination had sort of split and she was able to land another opportunity in another state with the renegade side of the church.
And this woman, standing there on Good Friday, did not have her head covered. I know nothing about her. And I liked her sermon, well more of an exhortation style of address. Which is good and certainly Christians should be encouraged to take action especially at Easter time!
But was it Biblical? I mean I have never really dug deeply into the subject. I know there are random verses covering this subject, mostly in Paul's writings - but exactly what do they support when used in context and without Roman Catholic traditions applied to them? This is a real question I had.
So, this week I have been researching this. I have so far done the traditional interpretation - no woman in the pastorate approach and now need to use the exact same verses to support the non-traditional approach of a woman could be a pastor! Almost as much fun as arguing pre, mid and post trib rapture viewpoints.
Hope this envisioned series works out!
The pastor got up and introduced herself ... Herself.
Now I have only twice seen a woman pastor before and both times it was not a situation of should this be, but should they be?
The first time was with my best friend from high school and his new bride. Their church as the largest in Denver and had a female pastor. Well, she did wear a head covering and the man sitting behind her was her husband. He was on the stage to show he supported her ministry. Hmmmmm. Seems to work Biblically for me. Unfortunately, she eventually divorced her husband and he disappeared off the stage, she lost the head covering and became a major player in the health and wealth gospel. When ever I was in town in a Sunday, I just never told my friend, so that I would not have to be negative about his selection of church.
The second time was to an Episcopalian church, taken there by two of my rock collecting friends. Of course, I sort of caused a bit of a mess, when she got on the stage and I blurted out none to quietly, "My God! She is a lesbian! What is a homosexual doing pretending to be a priest!?!?" Yeah, darn that Discernment! That one sort of killed the sermon for the day and it took three years for them to defrock her, however she was never allowed to serve as a priest in the meantime. And I read that she eventually sued the Episcopal Church for her old job back! She lost in court but by then the denomination had sort of split and she was able to land another opportunity in another state with the renegade side of the church.
And this woman, standing there on Good Friday, did not have her head covered. I know nothing about her. And I liked her sermon, well more of an exhortation style of address. Which is good and certainly Christians should be encouraged to take action especially at Easter time!
But was it Biblical? I mean I have never really dug deeply into the subject. I know there are random verses covering this subject, mostly in Paul's writings - but exactly what do they support when used in context and without Roman Catholic traditions applied to them? This is a real question I had.
So, this week I have been researching this. I have so far done the traditional interpretation - no woman in the pastorate approach and now need to use the exact same verses to support the non-traditional approach of a woman could be a pastor! Almost as much fun as arguing pre, mid and post trib rapture viewpoints.
Hope this envisioned series works out!
Tuesday, April 22, 2014
Making Praise Come Alive
Psalm 95
Regardless of worship style, these four principles are to be considered:
Accept, Don't Neglect God's Invitation
Verses 1,2,6
-Come
Set aside, gather together, worship Him
-US
Corporate worship with other believers
Participate, Don't Just Watch
Sing
Thanksgiving
Praise
Bow down
Kneel
God is the audience of worship and praise
This not a feeling
It is you givintg
Focus on God, Don't Focus on Yourself
Centered on God and who He is
Not about you or me, our feelings, our needs
Know He is God - He is Holy!
Stop, Don't Harden Your Heart
God will turn His back on us if we do.
Exodus 17 think on the Jews, complaining - they failed the test!
If we grumble and complain, we miss the point of being transformed!
Regardless of worship style, these four principles are to be considered:
Accept, Don't Neglect God's Invitation
Verses 1,2,6
-Come
Set aside, gather together, worship Him
-US
Corporate worship with other believers
Participate, Don't Just Watch
Sing
Thanksgiving
Praise
Bow down
Kneel
God is the audience of worship and praise
This not a feeling
It is you givintg
Focus on God, Don't Focus on Yourself
Centered on God and who He is
Not about you or me, our feelings, our needs
Know He is God - He is Holy!
Stop, Don't Harden Your Heart
God will turn His back on us if we do.
Exodus 17 think on the Jews, complaining - they failed the test!
If we grumble and complain, we miss the point of being transformed!
Monday, April 21, 2014
God vs "god"
I have long
held that the God I know, is not the God I see worshiped, nor referenced on
the internet, and strangely not in print anymore. I recently have read several authors whom claim
Christianity has gone through a metamorphosis across the past 30 years. What “worked” in the 1980’s no longer does
and we as Christian leaders must be a part of the change to catch up with this culture
or we will lose them and become irrelevant.
Irrelevant? Just the fact that this statement was made by
the top grossing Christian writer ever, I think shows just how irrelevant we
have become as Christians. It is not
that we are in a post-Christian culture, or age, so much as we now find
ourselves the victims of two or three generations of complacent Christians whom
have handed over to us a broken religion.
Note I did not say Christianity.
For decades I
have blamed this on Hollywood, TV, a culture gone mad with decadence (sex,
drugs, rock-n-roll, and almost limitless money!). I then switched to the idea that it must be the
fault of the American theological system – the rot had to have started in the
schools and mind you, there is plenty of evidence that there has been poison
pushed into the Christian ministry from decades of un-Godly teachers in our
seminaries. But, still there has to be
more. Could it be the difference between
a Reformation viewpoint and one based upon the Renaissance Movement had a
difference we are just beginning to see?
The Renaissance, for all its incredible feats – produced religion based solely
upon man’s reaching out to God.
Conversely, the Reformation believed that God reached out to man. Many believe there is no difference, what do
you think?
Well, I believe there is a huge difference. If man can initiate any form of Godly activity,
then salvation becomes something you are responsible for, not God. The Holy Spirit is not something given when
God decides, it is something you demand.
Etc. The effect on your faith and
your witness can be devastating spiritually.
Now what if you were to create the ultimate perfect
spiritual storm? A Renaissance faith,
led by men not schooled in the true faith, a multi-media driven culture, intent
upon self-service and caring little about what happens outside their closed
doors? Ultimately, we are discussing
paganism, by those believing themselves to be Christian.
Hmmmmm.
So, what does this contrast look like?
(The following is not approved by anyone, is not a
reflection upon this Church or its staff or leadership. It is not intended to have you draw value
based judgments in any manner. It is to
show the sharp contrasts which exist within our Church culture, which still
claims to be Christian. Don’t you just
love weasel words?)
God of Western Culture
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God of the Bible
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Asceticism
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Epicureanism
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Asceticism
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Epicureanism
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Nature of God
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God is limited by man’s rules
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God works by our desire/command
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Bound by His “rules”
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Limitless
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Primal Sin
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A choice
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Everybody does it
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Born into it
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What separates you from God
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Salvation
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Grown into
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Many ways
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New life, grow/learning
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New life, new person
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Faith
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Belief in something
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An expression of belief
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Personal basis for belief
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A walk
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Works
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Proves salvation
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None required, a choice
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Limited by willingness
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Evidence of
salvation
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Worship
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Form, no freedom
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Freedom, no form
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God’s form
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God’s freedom
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Holy Spirit
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Does not exist in this age
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No constraints
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Within constraints
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Used as God desires
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Sacraments
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Done on a schedule
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As convenient
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As commanded
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Part of worship, love
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Witness
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“the church”
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Paid professionals
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Scheduled, practiced, managed
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Your life
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Tithing
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Percentage required
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Blessing by % given
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Limited by willingness
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Expects all you have
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Missions
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Church uses left over funds
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High visibility projects
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% based on budget
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Give as needs are identified
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Post-Sin
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Self-denial
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Caused by lack of faith
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Blocks God’s blessings
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Covered by sanctification
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